what-about-design: Attempt at a new conclusion
Signed-off-by: Maxime “pep” Buquet <pep@bouah.net>
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It's a pretty common topic in the community and around, often started by
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It's a pretty common topic in the community and around, often started by
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users of XMPP themselves missing this or that feature in one or multiple
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users of XMPP themselves missing this or that feature in one or multiple
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specific implementations, or users of alternative solutions. In a way this
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specific implementations, or users of alternative solutions. In a way this
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is my own version of why XMPP is doomed (or isn't). What could be a cause
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is my own version of why XMPP is doomed (or isn't).
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for most of these accusations?
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tags: [XMPP, Design]
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tags: [XMPP, Design]
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the community and around, often started by users of XMPP themselves missing
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the community and around, often started by users of XMPP themselves missing
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this or that feature in one or multiple specific implementations, or users of
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this or that feature in one or multiple specific implementations, or users of
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alternative solutions. In a way this is my own version of why XMPP is doomed
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alternative solutions. In a way this is my own version of why XMPP is doomed
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(or isn't). What could be a cause for most of these accusations?
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(or isn't).
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To go down this rabbit hole, we first need to set a few definitions. Most of
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To go down this rabbit hole, we first need to set a few definitions. Most of
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my readers would probably know what XMPP is, but I feel obligated to provide a
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my readers would probably know what XMPP is, but I feel obligated to provide a
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Foundation) is the entity that did the original work on the protocol and
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Foundation) is the entity that did the original work on the protocol and
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submitted it to the IETF. It now has a sheperding role. There is no
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submitted it to the IETF. It now has a sheperding role. There is no
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requirement that XMPP extensions be brought to the XSF, but it aims to be the
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requirement that XMPP extensions be brought to the XSF, but it aims to be the
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place where technical knowledge around XMPP is gathered so people could get
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place where technical knowledge around XMPP is gathered so people can get
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better feedback when submitting their new specification.
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better feedback when submitting their new specification. Developers have
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already layed out lots of protocol bricks for others to reuse through the XSF.
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[XEP-0001]: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0001.html
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[XEP-0001]: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0001.html
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[XSF_mission]: https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/mission.html
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[XSF_mission]: https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/mission.html
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[more detailed explanation][snikket-explanation] from its author. At the time
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[more detailed explanation][snikket-explanation] from its author. At the time
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of writing it is composed of a rebranded [Prosody] (server) and Conversations
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of writing it is composed of a rebranded [Prosody] (server) and Conversations
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(client), is entirely based on XMPP and federates with the XMPP network. But
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(client), is entirely based on XMPP and federates with the XMPP network. But
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the important part -- and also why it deserves a different name than “XMPP” --
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the important part -- and also why it deserves a name other than “XMPP” -- is
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is its goal: provide a server and a (set of) client(s) that interoperate
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its goal: provide a server and a (set of) client(s) that interoperate properly
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properly and have common design guidelines that match the expected userbase.
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and have common design guidelines that match the expected userbase.
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Maybe you're not part of Snikket's target, in which case there might someday
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Maybe you're not part of Snikket's target, in which case there might someday
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be a similar solution that's more adapted to your use-case.
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be a similar solution that's more adapted to your use-case.
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is not an option. You may take this with a pinch of salt as it is as a
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is not an option. You may take this with a pinch of salt as it is as a
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developer that I am saying this to you.
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developer that I am saying this to you.
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In the end why does it matter to the end-user if it's actually XMPP that's
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being used, as long as these new solutions incorporate properties we care
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about such as standardization, decentralization, and extensibility? so that we
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don't end up again with closed silos (Slack, WhatsApp, Signal?, etc.) that
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have for sole purpose to lock us in.
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I guess the only thing left to figure out now is [network
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I guess the only thing left to figure out now is [network
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effect][network-effect]…
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effect][network-effect]…
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[snikket-intro]: https://blog.prosody.im/introducing-snikket/
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[snikket-intro]: https://blog.prosody.im/introducing-snikket/
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[snikket-explanation]: https://www.reddit.com/r/xmpp/comments/f0el07/can_someone_explain_to_me_whats_the_point_of/fgto5h0/
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[snikket-explanation]: https://www.reddit.com/r/xmpp/comments/f0el07/can_someone_explain_to_me_whats_the_point_of/fgto5h0/
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[network-effect]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect
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[network-effect]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect
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# So why (not) XMPP?
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To the question I set to answer at the beginning I say this: Why does it
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matter? For whom? My goal is to bring standardization, decentralization, and
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extensibility to mass audiences. Not to bring XMPP to them. As explained above
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I believe we need product suites with common design guidelines, and they
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should include these properties. The protocol by itself is not enough.
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I want decentralization and standardization to prevent users from being locked
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in closed -- often also proprietary -- silos such as WhatsApp, Hangouts,
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Slack, MS Teams, or even Signal. And I want extensibility to prevent being
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stuck in the past and adapt to the people's needs.
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As a developer if I get to use XMPP, great, otherwise I'll learn.
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